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One more post to wrap up the nonsense with my DL380 G3 ESX servers….

Vincent Vlieghe noted that you must make a couple changes to your DL380 G3′s for ESX to work correctly.  His post was written back in 2006 when we were still working with ESX 2.x, but the same appears to be true of ESX 3.5 RTM (Updates are not supported on this hardware per the HCL).  The changes you must make to BIOS are:

For stable operation on these systems, ESX Server requires a BIOS MPS Table Mode setting of Full Table APIC. With the exception of the specific systems referenced below, the following BIOS settings must be applied in order if available:

1. System Options > OS Selection: Select Windows 2000.
2. Advanced Options > MPS Table Mode: Select Full Table APIC.
3. When presented with multiple Windows options (Windows 2000, Windows Server 2003, Windows .NET, and so on) select Windows 2000. If both BIOS settings are available and can be modified, both must be set correctly. You should confirm these settings after any BIOS upgrade operation.

I have seen other references that say that you should also disable hyperthreading on this platform, but I was able to successfully run with Hyperthreading enabled with no performance degradation or stability issues.  I hope this information is helpful to those of you still running these dinosaurs!

I wrote some time back about networking problems with a clean install of ESX 3.5 U3 on a HP DL380 G3 server in a lab environment.  A simple downgrade to ESX 3.5 RTM corrected the issue and I didn’t think much about it.  One of the servers in the lab died and I went about the business of rebuilding it.  Having learned my lesson, I started with an ESX 3.5 RTM install and then patched to Update 3 plus other applicable updates.  Much to my chagrin, the server began crapping out on me randomly.  Some reboots, some networking issues, and other assorted not so good things.  Now the DL380 G3 is not the spring chicken it used to be, so I assumed some faulty hardware was probably to blame.  Some diagnostics and log reviews yielded no hardware issues.

On a whim, I decided to check the VMware HCL to see if the DL380 G3 was still on the list of compatible servers for ESX.  Now, I had checked, or rather ‘remembered’ checking, the HCL before that first problematic install, but a recheck never hurts.  When I arrived at the VMware HCL page I saw the same old trusty PDF link with a slightly newer revision date than my previous visit.  I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked the PDF link to find that I was redirected to a searchable, filterable forms-based version of the HCL.  Nice!  Let’s do this thing….

I’m a little lazy, so I simply used a keyword search to look up ‘DL380 G3′.  Presto-chango: I’ve got results, and I like what I see:

Search Results for DL380 G3 on the VMware HCL

My eyes jump right to ESX 3.5 – Supported, on my platform, no further questions your honor.  Close the old browser window and move on with my life, my life being troubleshooting this darn server.

A few hours later I am still struggling with the server and turn to Ebay for salvation.  “If you can’t beat em, cheat em,” my grandfather used to say.  I’ll find new hardware for my lab.  I identified some other hunk of junk that just might work and decided to check the HCL for it.  That’s when it jumped out at me: there are Update versions included in the HCL and I had been to quick to see it on my DL380 G3 search.  Back to the HCL.

This time I just do a search for ‘DL380′, leaving off the Generational notation and get the following:

Search Results for DL380 from the VMware HCL

The ProLiant DL380 G5 with Quad-core Intel Xeon processors lists ESX 3.5 U3, ESX 3.5 U2, and ESX 3.5 U1 as supported releases, along with the RTM ESX 3.5.  The Update versions are not listed for the G3 or G4.  After some self-deprecating curses and a reinstall of ESX 3.5 Update-nada, stability returned.

The lesson learned, double-check the HCL (or if you are a little slow like me, a triple-check doesn’t hurt).  The HCL is major version and Update-revision sensitive.  And, not all models are treated equally.  You’ll notice in the picture to the left that the DL380 G5 has different supported releases depending on the CPU Model.

Also, keep in mind that you need to verify that all components of your VMware infrastructure are on the HCL from Servers and Systems to IO Devices, and Storage/SAN.  The VMware HCL site offers some basic tips for searching here: http://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/help.php.

Here’s the real take-away: The VMware HCL is there for a reason.  Sure, you might be able to get something that is not on the HCL to work, but you may experience instability along the way.  In the event that you are running a non-HCL system you may also find that VMware Support may be limited in what they can do for you.

I began building up a new lab environment with a few old DL380 G3 servers (courtesy of ebay) and pulled down the latest ISO of ESX 3.5 with Update 3 integrated.  The install went well with my only changes to the defaults being some partitioning changes (I more or less follow the recommendations set forth by Rich at VM/ETC for partitioning) and not checking the option for creating a default network for virtual machines – I prefer to set up all my networking manually once I am in the VI client.  I selected the first on-board NIC for my Service Console connection.  The NIC was detected as a BCM5703, but the server really has the Broadcom NC7781 chipset.  I thought it odd, but continued with the install.  After ESX came up the SC had no network connectivity.  The NIC’s appeared but the drivers and TCP/IP stack could not be initialized against them.  I was able to reproduce the same behavior on two different DL380 G3′s.

A quick Google indicated some issues with the DL380 G3 and ESX (enabling hyperthreading causes performance problems, incorrect ACPI configuration in BIOS can cause system instability, etc.).  The NIC firmware was out of date.  Updated NIC firmware yielded the same problems on a re-install.  I didn’t have much time to troubleshoot the issue as I was trying to stage a demo of NetApp’s SnapManager for Virtual Infrastrucuture, so I reinstalled using an ESX 3.5.0 disk.  The install went fine with no network connectivity issues.  I was able to patch the installation to Update 3 using Update Manager without problems.

I don’t want to shoot from the hip, but I suspect the problems may be related to the updated support for Broadcom NIC’s as described in the ESX Update 3 Release Notes.  I’ll try to troubleshoot this out as time allows and will post an update if I uncover anything of great interest.  Or better yet, maybe I’ll start looking around for some better hardware for the lab.  Leave a comment if you have had a similar issue.